19 Jan 2017

Discovering the Kora through Classical Guitar (and visa versa): Q & A with Derek Gripper

Q – You’re launching a new CD ‘Mali in Oak’ during this tour. Can you say a bit about the repertoire you’ll be playing?

A: I usually play whatever I am working on at that moment, plus the pieces that I still enjoy playing and reinventing from the past. So this means a selection of pieces from my albums Libraries on Fire and One Night on Earth, plus a few of the pieces from The Sound of Water, which has works by myself and the great Brazilian composer Egberto Gismonti. At present I am working on a very new approach to playing solo Bach works. So I plan to give these a bit of work during the tour so I am ready to record the first collection when I get back home. I also have a few new works, one by Salif Keita and one by Fanta Sacko, a really incredible and influential Malian singer who recorded in the seventies.

Q – You have transcribed Brazilian, South African and Malian music for guitar. Where are you going next?

A: I don’t usually know beforehand, even though I try to plan it never works out ... but I suspect this Bach project will be my next recording. I am also returning to some older works from Mali, works by Toumani Diabaté’s father and his aunt, Fanta Sacko. I also have a collaboration in 2017 with north Indian slide guitarist Debashish Battacharya, so that should whip me into shape.

Q – You started playing classical violin at a young age. What was it about the guitar that attracted you to play it?

A: I started playing in a loose, crazy band with a friend when I was about fourteen. Somebody gave me a bass guitar, I borrowed a guitar and learned the chords, then I started teaching myself to read when a classical guitar teacher came to teach at my school. Eventually I managed to get him to teach me - he had just returned from studying with Carlos Bonnel in London, so it was a bit of luck really. I carried on through high school being a bass player and playing classical guitar and playing violin in the orchestra. I also learned a bout of piano but the guitar took over from that - too many buttons for me!

Q – Can you say something about the South African music scene, which seems to be vibrant at the moment?

A: We have had more vibrant moments than right now in terms of venues and opportunities. It seems to go up and down, one minute you're in a musical revolution, the next moment you can't think of a single venue that hosts live music. It goes like that because it is organic and there isn't a strong enough structure to support it. There are some great musicians around though, especially in the jazz scene, a pretty solid classical scene which tends to be a little conservative, and loads happening in other realms with younger musicians creating new things all the time. I probably should pay more attention. Maybe the most interesting music is in the electronic scene. Right now I am listening to Spiral by an incredible band called Tananas who made a big impact in the 90's. This reminds me of those gems that came out of this country. There are many.

Q – You are touring with the extraordinary ‘prepared guitar’ player, Paolo Angeli – can you introduce him for us?

A: Well I have yet to meet Paolo, so I only know him from watching his videos. He looks like he has had as much fun and applied as much creativity to creating his instrument as he has to playing it and composing for it. So really it seems he is representing all aspects of instrumental playing: composition, luthiery and performance. It’s going to be exciting to get to know more. I mean, the guy has springs and pneumatic pedals and a violin bow and God knows what else!

Q – You’re probably best known in the UK for your recent album and tour transcribing the work of the great Malian kora players. Do you think there is a common link in ‘African’ music?

A: I think of the kora players as great Classical composers that happen to live in Africa and are part of an immense and ancient African tradition. I know about as much about this tradition as I do about classical composers ... it’s all hearsay with both, because the classical composers like Bach lived a long time ago, and West African music, like all music, is always changing.

Q – Africa is known for its guitar stylists – Ali Farka Touré, Franco and many others developed styles very different from those in Europe and America. How have these players influenced you?

A: Ali Farka Touré is a huge influence for me, not necessary in his playing style, but in his approach to music. When I start thinking with too much complexity, he reminds me that very little is needed to create incredible music. He is one of the greatest musicians of our era. His work is really unbelievable. I love especially his early acoustic recordings because they speak to that realm of music which I really enjoy, the realm like Toumani Diabaté's Kaira or Egberto Gismonti's Solo, even Keith Jarret's Koln Concert ... one person with an instrument. Okay, Ali Farka Touré had Hama Sankare on calabash ... but we can't all have it all like he did.

Q – Can you describe the process of transcribing kora and other musics to classical guitar?

A: Yeah it’s pretty painstaking - especially at first. I came knowing nothing, having no background in this style of music, so I was literally land-surveying on foot, tracing the coastline with a pen and pencil, and then stepping back and seeing where I had been and what I had found. After a lot of that work I started to get an idea of the meta-structure, and now I am pretty fluent in that language. Man, it really taught me how to play the guitar!



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